David Jay Jordan
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The below words in and of themselves might be able to get you to see that Moses, king david and all our brethren in the Old
testament were Christians. But it would have surely helped if you had read the preceeding compositions in the discussion..... as
one truth leads to another, precept by precept. For if there is anything you need to understand in depth and from the heart, is
that we are the final people the Lord has entrusted to live FULLY for HIM. His trusted Bride.

 We are the culmination of all people from Adam, through Abraham, through our forefathers, the prophets and through King
David and all those of FAITH til the Messiah came and then afterwards, from the martrys to all those that have sacrificed and
lived for HIM. We are all together and ONE and shall be ONE together in the wilderness. And we are all CHRISTIANS from

Continuing the discussion with Lenben..)

(Forgive Lenben, but allow me to post the following simply because I got it while on your discussion board)

I would suggest that we have to claim our heritage and see our forefathers for the FAITH they truly had because they were
Christian right from the start. Forget Judiasm, think Christianity and our great heritage where our forefathers and foremothers

Way back with Adam and Eve, they had to believe in the Son to come, to get back into the garden. And this very first
prophecy, was about the SON to come.... who was JESUS. Therefore they had faith in the Messiah to come, no different than
us today. Adam and Eve were Christians and so it went onward through the generations, each individual that believed was a
Christian and had faith in the Messiah to come because they knew they were sinners and needed His redemption through Grace
and because of His mercy.

Hebrews 12...

((For salvation is the same for all, of all generations and times. Its always by choice and never by bloodlines or race or

But lets go straight to the words of the Messiah Himself, and see if those in the Old Testament were saved through His
Salvation. And what better example than King David of Old. For King David was truly a sinner, in the way he raped Bathseba,
and then had her husband Uriah killed. It was a grievous crime and one in which David and the whole kingdom sufferred greatly
for. Yet through it all, David believed and became a 'man after the Lord's own heart.'   See
King Davids Adultery

But who is the Lord ..... JESUS. Who was the Lord to King David ? .... JESUS. Who was the shepherd that lead him through
the 'Valley of the shadow of death' ? ... JESUS.

For as JESUS himself said, He was not the son of David, but that He was David's LORD.

44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

Read it again, read it in context, and then note that JESUS was before Abraham, Jesus was always present, and was the Son,
that Adam believed in and that all those of FAITH had to believe in because of their shortcomings. All needed the SON, and all
had to have FAITH in HIM...and hence were Christians.

David sang praises to the SON...Jesus. From the start our forefathers had to have faith in the Messiah to come. Abraham had
faith in the sacrifice of the lamb .... Jesus. Jacob choose the Lord whereas Esau rejected the blessings. Jacob got changed and
transformed because he needed HELP and DELIVERANCE and cried out for it. No different than us, who came after the
Messiah was HERE.

Christianity has always been, it didn't just start when the Messiah came physically but was the only way of salvation from the
very BEGINNING. There are not two ways to slavation, only ONE. For there is none other name under heaven whereby we
can be saved.... but Christ JESUS. One Son, one people, and they are called Christians.

King David of Old was our brethren. Moses was our brethren. They without us, perfecting their lifes with our lives of living to
the end for the Messiah would be incomplete. But us with them and they with us as the great cloud over us, can complete the
consummation and continuum of the full heritage of the Lord, from all GENERATIONS.

The End Time King David is of course Christian and not Jewish, for he will also be praising the Lord and Deliverer and Great
Shepherd .... JESUS. he will follow the footsteps and pattern of both Moses, and David, and Ezekiel, and Isaiah, Jeremiah,
Amos, and all the other prophets of the Lord before us and before him.

We, Christians are the ultimate fulfillment of FAITH on Earth. We are responsible to the Lord for running the race to the End,
for fighting the good fight of FAITH to the very End. We are not going to fizzle out, and get raptured prematurely, but shall go
til the END under the leadership of the Lord's TWO WITNESSES, His two olive trees. two candlesticks, two leaders ... a king
and a high priest. And all of us will be Christians and be ONE.

For with the help of the great cloud of witnesses and all the obedient angels of the Lord JESUS, we have to culminate His-story
before the NEW BEGINNING.
Moses and King David were 'Christians'